Sensitive topic!

Or then you have kids who look neglected and get bullied by other kids because they don’t smell fresh and wear old, dirty, broken clothes, while the parents look absolutely perfect and are incredibly well-off! How can such parents even have kids I’ve seen it a few times already. I feel like some people really don’t deserve to be parents at all, while others can’t have a baby, and I wish it so much for them. It’s just so unfair!

Let's just leave it at that here. The girl doesn't know any better, so let's keep her happily ignorant!

It sounds to me like you're trying to get away with smoking by bringing up other topics where women did receive support, implying you deserve that too. Even though you know it's wrong.

What all those other people do is their own business. What you do is your own business too. We're allowed to have our opinions about it, but as someone already said; you've already made your decision.

I used to smoke too until I found out I was pregnant with my first child. I was 6 weeks along, of course I stopped immediately. It was a choice for me: think you're addicted to some stupid little plant or have a healthy baby.

So, I smoked during the first 6 weeks of the pregnancy. Nothing else. My partner did smoke, but outside. At 36 weeks, I had to have an ultrasound, and it turned out there were calcified spots on the placenta. Something like that, anyway; it basically meant that some parts of the placenta simply weren't working anymore. It was worn out. The midwife asked if I smoked. Well, no. But she didn't believe me because she clearly saw the evidence.

If those little 6-week smokers and a smoking partner can cause such damage to the placenta and its accessories (oxygen and blood supply are quite important), then I wonder what smoking throughout an entire pregnancy can cause.

I think people react so negatively to pregnant mothers who smoke because those mothers know very well that they seriously affect their babies' health, and also because it's a choice. Smoking is in your head; it's easy to quit. You just have to want to.

But most mothers also want to quit when faced with that choice.

Exactly. You have "mothers," and 'mothers' who carry motherhood!

I smoke too, I know it's not good
but I'm going to quit starting tomorrow
I'm not pregnant for very long, about 6 weeks
by the time you smoke MADELENA and find out I'm pregnant, you're already at least 4 weeks pregnant!!!
So ultimately if you quit,
you quit 8 months!!!
I'm getting an ultrasound on August 26th
but I've made the choice to quit smoking!!
I'll be grumpy in the first weeks but I don't care, I'm doing it for my baby in my belly


The money I normally spend on cigarettes I'm going to put in a jar for the baby

By the way, I’ve been pregnant for 10 days now.

Today, a mom from Moeders voor Moeders came by
and I can start this Friday
I got a nice swaddle blanket for the debate effort
If I can help others with my urine, I’ll do it with love
We’ve been trying for 2 years for this pregnancy

My stance is very simple: a baby doesn't choose to be made; that's the parents' choice (or in this case, the choice to carry the pregnancy to term). The least you can do then is give your child the best possible start by living healthily as long as your baby is completely dependent on how you live and what you do. Climbing a mountain at 7 months is absolutely not comparable to smoking, drinking, eating raw meat, etc. during pregnancy! Exercise is healthy for you, and if mountain climbing is your thing and your body can handle it; keep doing it!

As said before: smoking is very bad for your baby. The fact that you consciously choose to do it anyway means that any future health problems your child might have could be blamed on you. I also have a very clear opinion about all those other examples you mention (and that opinion doesn't fall into the category of "Oh well, it's not that bad", but that doesn't make smoking any less bad for your baby. Maybe (hopefully) your child will be born completely healthy despite the smoking and have a long, healthy life ahead, but I still wonder why people consciously take the risk that it won't be so... Just a comparison: seatbelts. In the past, children never wore seatbelts, and many grew up without wearing them. But how many children died who would have lived if they had worn a seatbelt? And why are there still people who don't put their child in a seatbelt ("he doesn't want to" He doesn't want to??? He MUST!!! I'm the parent, I know what's good for him!!!) and are therefore essentially playing with that child's life, I don't get it, sorry...

So I understand the point the topic starter wanted to make, but I definitely don't support it!

Don't give her attention. She won't listen anyway! Only wants to hear that smoking is good...

http://nos.nl/l/833023

By the time I was ready for a little one, I tried to quit smoking.
It’s been 2 years and 2 weeks since then! Haven’t touched a cigarette since that day, not even pregnant, and absolutely no desire to smoke... and yes, I used to smoke a pack a day. Sense of responsibility

ohhh she wants that attention and because I get sooooo angry about it and there are also mothers who don't do everything they can to protect their child from these influences..the following should have really been reality in the news report below.

01 July 2015

'Force pregnant women to stop smoking and drinking'

Women should be forced to stop smoking, drinking or using drugs if they are pregnant.

That is the wish of the RSJ, the Council for Criminal Justice Application and Youth Protection. The RSJ wants it to be clearly stated in the law that unborn children deserve protection from conception onwards.

If mothers do not comply with that law, the baby can be placed in foster care after birth. There can also be threats of a coercive fine or prison sentence.

Smoking or drinking during pregnancy is extremely harmful to the fetus. If a mother does not want to stop drinking or smoking, she should be forced to do so, according to the RSJ. The council believes that in this case the health of the fetus is more important than the mother's right to self-determination.
Point! I can't even think about my son running around now with lung problems and having to take medication for his whole life because I couldn't help myself in the worst way!!!
Have a nice pregnancy or maybe you've already given birth..hopefully of a healthy child because I wish that to everyone..furthermore everyone should indeed do what they want but that can indeed have such consequences in the future.

The government can go to hell, you criminal first-class citizens! They say one thing and do another! You've brought a healthy baby into the world, and what do they do? Inject chemicals into innocent children!

But I'd like to see a woman be conscious enough to take responsibility for her unborn child!

My suggestion is a parenting course before you start having kids! There are courses for everything everywhere, and you need diplomas for them. But any idiot can have a child, something that requires the greatest responsibility!!

It's not about the government for me, but the consequences someone has to bear for their irresponsibility.. haha well if motherhood was a course Of course there's so much more that can harm a child. But this is one of them! Anyway, I'm done here.

I was blowing almost daily and crazy for a drink every week UNTIL I found out I was pregnant. Stopped immediately! I wouldn't forgive myself if my baby came out unhealthy. And even if born healthy, I'm wise enough to know it can cause health issues later in life due to my drinking or jointies. People didn't immediately believe I really stopped blowing because I was often found in the coffeeshop before I got pregnant, but after a while they realized I meant it. I take no risks with my child's life, you're already a mom when you're pregnant! And it didn't cost me any effort, of course when my friends drank a drink I'd join in for a social drink but would never do that, that pleasure doesn't go before my child's life! Everyone is free in their choice but in my opinion a Good mom stops smoking on her own. You come here with your story and an even bigger comparison story about others to find support. So that you might feel a bit better about yourself but don't tell me you don't know damn well that you're harming your child seriously by smoking. You can bravely say you stopped with the rest but that means nothing if you just keep puffing! If you didn't feel guilty or insecure you wouldn't seek support here with your big comparison story.. Well from me you won't get that support. Don't be surprised if your child later in life gets health problems, delays, asthma or similar. Know then that that's probably due to your smoking..

Did I hear on the news recently that 3 out of 5 pregnant women still drink up to 3 glasses in a row?

I always think it looks so awful when a baby is just born and the mom has smoked—those babies have wrinkly skin and it seems loose on their bodies. They usually don't look like a nice, healthy, beautiful pink baby. They look grayish, let's just say, terrible. And then a mom who has smoked will surely say, "Oh, it's not that bad." No, no, take your own responsibility.

And for people who drink alcohol during pregnancy, FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) can be the result of just one glass. Wow, then you have to spend your whole life explaining why your child came into the world disabled.

People who say it's not a big deal don't see it because the whole family often exhibits that behavior, so it seems normal to them. Just like when a child is yelled at every day and the child starts yelling too, suddenly they're supposed to understand that yelling isn't allowed. Huh? How can that be? Yelling is normal for the child because they learned it from their parents, and that's just how it is. Your child is your own mirror.