corona

Puck 3 months ago #21

Thanks Joy, for the addition.

Well, I'm just being honest about my opinion. You might find that rude, but I think we as adult women can just be honest with each other. (And that starts with just posting your comments under your forum name and not anonymously)

I won't say anything more about it. I can nuance it as much as I want, but it's still not enough.

Anonymous Guest 3 months ago #22

I'm not saying we should bury our heads in the sand, Joy. I'm just saying that those comments about "if I were 8 months pregnant, I'd be in a panic" aren't necessary. It comes across as if women who are just now pregnant are going to have unhealthy babies. And I find that pretty inappropriate.

Babytje4 3 months ago #23

Sofie, I think they're a bit protected against illnesses and stuff... If you're exclusively breastfeeding, don't worry 100%, I still exclusively breastfeed my boy. He's 4 months old now and he caught my cold last time, so I'm worried too about the virus getting into the house. We only go outside for groceries and work; outings can wait a bit.

Katrien Guest 3 months ago #24

I’m a nurse in intensive care and 12 weeks pregnant. I just have to keep working as usual until 24 weeks because I’m not considered part of the risk group according to the occupational health doctor. I’ll only be taken off care duties when the protective measures are lifted, meaning I can no longer protect myself from proven risky transmissible viruses/bacteria that could harm the fetus (like CMV, for example).

But I don’t feel safe. The workload in intensive care is extremely high right now due to all the coronavirus measures. I hope it’ll be over soon.

Mimi 3 months ago #25

Puck is right. The consequences are still unknown. Scientists say the same... With Zika, it also took almost a year.
Most viruses are harmless, so the biggest chance is that everything will be fine. But we don't know that yet.
I don't think we help each other by lying about this.

If I were 4 weeks pregnant and had covid, I would also worry enormously.

Stef 3 months ago #26

I'd be worried too if I were 15 to 40 weeks pregnant. Here in Belgium, 11 babies and toddlers have been infected... in Genk, there's a pregnant woman at 37 weeks who's in critical condition... just take your precautions!

Mimi 3 months ago #27

Definitely Stef!
The first 16 weeks seem the worst to me, because fever can really be dangerous then. But even after that, take care.

Stef 3 months ago #28

Ladies, we're right in the middle of an IVF journey... our cycle is wrapping up, but any potential embryos will be frozen, so no transfer because they simply don't know what effect it could have on a pregnancy... I'm disappointed, yes... but hey, better safe than sorry.

Mimi 3 months ago #29

Well, good to hear from the hospital! Better safe than sorry. I'm crossing my fingers for you that the first repositioning after all this goes super smoothly

! Hoping for twins!!!

I see you're also doing your best to inform people in the NOD groups. Good for you! For someone who's been dealing with this for a long time, like Orchidea, I understand that the choice is difficult. But otherwise, I'd really wait. I'm also going to ultrasounds alone now; I temporarily don't have any check-ups unless medically necessary, and when you give birth, no one is allowed to visit as long as the postpartum care is there.

Even if you don't believe in the possible dangers (everyone's entitled to their own opinion), pregnancy really is different.

But I feel like most people only understand the uncertainties/fear and discomforts of COVID once they're directly affected...

Orchidea 3 months ago #30

I wasn't sure at first whether I wanted to reply here, and I still don't know. Opinions are so divided, and to be honest, I'd rather keep everyone on good terms. I respect everyone's choice. I don't want to say more about it.

More than that, we should all support each other. We're here for a common goal: becoming moms!

Take good care of yourselves and your precious little one. And let's also respect everyone's space here online. Lots of love.

Puck 3 months ago #31

@stef: that’s intense! I kind of get it: it’s so expensive later on, the embryos that come out. I kind of understand why they’re being cautious and playing it safe. But it’s really bitter that this coincides with your journey, especially after you’ve just bravely decided to go for it. I hope you at least get quite a few more follicles and end up with ‘a freezer full’, although hopefully one will be enough.

@orchidea: I don’t mind at all if you just share your opinion, really. You should be able to say what you think. Opinions differ, after all, and ultimately everyone’s the boss of their own situation. You can also let everyone be and share your opinion.

@katrien: I work in a hospital in Brabant, and pregnant women aren’t allowed to work with corona patients here. It’s strange that the rules would be different for you. Seems pretty stressful to me.

For myself: I’m already very insecure and scared about the outcome of my pregnancy. Corona adds to it and doesn’t make it better. However, next week there’s also the 20-week scan, which terrifies me. I’ll only feel at ease once our baby is born healthy.
Today I did speak with an infectious disease specialist, who told me that all other known corona viruses aren’t harmful, so he doesn’t expect this one to be either. Just as a positive note for anyone who might need it. Although my gut feeling says: “see it to believe it,” I’m trying to hold on to this as much as possible.

Mimi 3 months ago #32

@orchidea oh I hope you didn't mean my comment with that

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but in your situation I'd find it really hard to weigh whether to pause or not. I wish you so much! And you're absolutely right to share your opinion!

Personally, if I were 3 months along, I'd make a different choice. Especially since I'm already noticing the effects at the midwife's office, and also because you can't be 100% sure you're safe right now. And especially since it's circulating now and the fever in the beginning is so dangerous. Plus, the impact on life would be huge if it led to birth defects (which it doesn't seem to). Then I'd wait 1-2 months.

I work in a hospital too, and maybe I'm picking up on a lot of the hospital-side stress of this situation.

Mimi 3 months ago #33

By the way, it seems the virus can indeed be transmitted to the fetus:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2763787

Not the best journal. But still bad news. Hopefully fake news....

Zusss 3 months ago #34

I’m going to respond here anyway. The comment: “I’m glad my baby already has all its organs” is huge nonsense when talking about the Covid-19 virus, but also about all other viruses. I’ll explain why:

Every baby that experiences an infection intra-uterinely (during pregnancy) suffers neurological damage. So the maturation of other organs doesn’t mean anything at all. A fetus’s brain isn’t finished developing until between 32 and 34 weeks of pregnancy, but even after that, it remains a very vulnerable organ. So whether you get an infection at 20, 26, or 30 weeks, it’s just as harmful to the brain. My brother died intra-uterinely at 26 weeks. The cause? Very likely an infection!

I certainly don’t want to scare you, because one big reassurance: the Covid-19 virus does not cause damage to the fetus. On the ward where I work (neonatal intensive care unit), we’ve had several Corona-positive parents. The premature babies had absolutely nothing!

So we should definitely take it seriously, but mainly to protect ourselves as adults, so that we don’t transmit this miserable virus to the weaker members of our society, i.e., the elderly and people with underlying illnesses like cancer.

Joy 3 months ago #35

Sis is right. The brain isn't fully developed until 34 weeks, and until then, it's very sensitive to infections. I lost my son to this in 2018. At 33 weeks and 3 days. So yes, it's definitely possible. And even after that, a baby is very fragile... So you're never really out of the danger zone.

Zusss 3 months ago #36

Oh no, Joy! I have no words. I hope you'll be able to hold this baby in your arms soon, in good health!

Joy 3 months ago #37

Thanks sisss

We are quite scared. My husband, I, and my daughter haven’t been outside for 3 weeks now. Just to shield this baby. Not to get another stillborn. I hope I can give birth by the end of next week. It depends on the gynecologist on Tuesday and whether he’s okay with lying down.

Zusss 3 months ago #38

I get your anxiety, Joy! And you're doing what you can by staying indoors. Hopefully, this mess will be over soon. Weird world, isn't it!

Puck 3 months ago #39

Well, good morning too! What a fierce reaction, wow.

I do understand that the brain isn't fully developed yet, but at least the back is closed, the palate is closed, and the abdominal organs are back in place after the rotation outside the body. So a lot is already ready. But believe me: I'm terrified of getting sick, and I'm fully aware that the baby isn't safe yet. Not only do we not know if the virus can harm the baby (it's just not possible to say yet that it's harmless; you can also wonder whether being born prematurely is in itself a disorder, although I of course don't know if there wasn't another reason for the prematurity), but we do know that it's harmful to the baby if the mother has a low oxygen level in her blood for a long time. So if you're among the people who get seriously ill, it is indeed harmful to the pregnancy/baby.

@Joy: lots of strength with the final stretch. I hope you'll soon be able to hold another healthy baby in your arms.

Zusss 3 months ago #40

A fierce reaction to Puck? Am I reading this right? I clearly remember that it’s your words, and you’re allowed to say what you think here. And yes, that’s how I feel, so I say it too. I’ve regularly gotten a fierce reaction from you in the past (I’ve been posting under a different name for a while, forgot my WW), when I’d say something here, you’d brush it off with the remark that you don’t hold back by giving desired answers. So don’t accuse me of reacting fiercely now; that’s a bit hypocritical.

Right, at 20 weeks there’s a lot ready! But getting an infection doesn’t change that. As I already said: the brain takes the hit.

Whether prematurity is or isn’t an abnormality isn’t important in this case. It’s precisely the premature, vulnerable baby who doesn’t get sick from this virus. Pregnant women with low saturation are admitted and receive oxygen, so you’re limiting any potential oxygen shortage for the baby. Call attention to symptoms of shortness of breath, coughing with or without fever, in time. So far, there are no pregnant women in Dutch hospitals, at least very few.

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