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To vaccinate or not to vaccinate?
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wientje #21
My kidneys are doing fine for now! Unfortunately, my pain threshold is very high, so I experience things like aching that others would have gone to the doctor for long ago. That's really annoying with my kidneys. I have to be extra careful about bladder infections, but I only notice it because I have to pee more. But hey, what do you do when you're pregnant? That's why they do extra check-ups, including blood tests.
I know more than the average person about medication. But I mainly know how certain groups of drugs work. I don't know when you should give which specific drug from a certain group. NSAIDs are NSAIDs, but I'm not sure when it's better to give ibuprofen versus naproxen. Then I have to consult the medical compass.
By the way, I do know that the most common antibiotic, nitrofurantoin, doesn't work for bladder and kidney infections for me, and ciprofloxacin apparently isn't allowed now either. So I hope everything stays okay. -
wientje #22
Not necessarily. But you do need to make sure the baby doesn't end up with growth restriction. There's a slightly higher chance of that because I had it. The consequence for me was incompletely developed kidneys, bladder stuff. And while my kidneys function well enough now, they might not later on when I have to filter a lot more blood. That needs to be monitored. Just like any potential infections, which I normally only notice from going to the toilet more often. Well, that's no longer a good indicator now. But these are things that are normally monitored extra closely, okay! -
Olivia-Anna #23
We’re currently facing a problem because we haven’t been insured for very long, and I got pregnant anyway (in the very same month!).
Up until now, miraculously, everything has been paid for,
even though they had told us that wouldn’t happen..
Only, after my last hospital admission (for those kidneys, obviously), I got a phone call at home saying the insurance wouldn’t cover that admission.
So now we’re worried about the rest of the pregnancy and the birth!!
Until now, we’ve always gone to a private hospital.
(They have translators there; I speak Spanish well, but what if something serious happens and my husband has to make a decision.. His Spanish isn’t really good..)
Now, to my annoyance, I heard from an acquaintance that the hospital in our village is very good and cheap.
(Where we should have gone right away!!)
Now my husband really wants to change hospitals, but that really scares me.
There they know my condition and what has already happened..
But all I hear from the hospital I’m currently at are bad stories about the birth, all inductions and things happening that weren’t planned at all.. They don’t let anything natural happen, and I really don’t want that!!!
So I’m not sure what to do anymore!
As for growth restriction, I actually don’t have that problem!!
She’s already big and heavy for her gestational age, while I barely gain any weight..
They’re always amazed!!
So how does that work with anemia, very low blood pressure, and severe iron deficiency??
I have all three! -
wientje #24
Why can't I read the last post in this topic? -
A K #25
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wientje #26
Thank you! -
Olivia-Anna #27
How weird, I thought I had already replied..
Anyway:
I have a problem. It turns out the insurance no longer covers the costs because we haven't been insured long enough (while everything has been paid for so far)
Now I've heard from 3 different women who gave birth there that they were far from satisfied with their delivery.
The reason we chose that hospital is because there are translators available 24/7.
My husband's Spanish isn't great and it'll probably just be something serious, right..
And because that hospital works with our insurance.
Now a friend advises me to give birth in the hospital in our own village, she had a very good experience with giving birth there and it's much cheaper!!
But here they know what I have and how everything went..
Now I don't know anymore!!!! -
AnnaRebecca #28
Seriously, I find this a pointless discussion... and attacking each other over an opinion!! What's the point!! Mom A lets her child get vaccinated and Mom B doesn't.. Mom C only does a few... so what!!!!!!!! Let each other be, with or without vaccination ;-) -
sietske #29
I don't agree with that. Whether you choose to vaccinate your child is indeed entirely your own decision, but I find it interesting why Mother A chooses to do so and Mother B doesn't.
I still find it hard to see the forest for the trees. -
wientje #30
Is it maybe not an option to temporarily go to the Netherlands and give birth here? I hear more and more that women who have lived abroad for years still make sure they give birth here... I read somewhere that giving birth in a hospital without medical necessity costs 300 euros if your insurance doesn't cover it. I don't know how it works if you're coming from abroad.
What I would definitely recommend is to check with the local hospital and see how you feel about it. Then you can also explain your medical history and see how they respond. You can also make sure that friends, family, or whatever are nearby when you give birth to act as interpreters for your husband...
Maybe an idea?
But I find it weird, that insurance. Is that normal in Spain? -
Olivia-Anna #31
So now you have my story in 3 versions Hihi!!!
Haha no!!
That's going a bit too far for me right now!
After all, I've lived here my whole life (I've been living here for almost 9 years).. I just want to be at home with our baby soon!
It's normal that you have to be insured for 10 months for them to cover costs like pregnancy and childbirth.
That's the case in any country and with any insurance. Otherwise, everyone would just quickly get insurance right before a treatment or surgery.
I got pregnant very quickly, had been insured for 2 months and so far everything has been paid
., even though they had warned that this wouldn't happen.
But lying in the hospital twice in a row and being pregnant stands out, right..
The hospital called me saying the last stay wasn't covered by insurance.
I now have to pay 1500 euros
for the last admission, so we're pretty convinced that the rest won't be covered either.
That local hospital is indeed much cheaper and extremely good.
We really messed up, right..
Even if your Spanish is very good (I do have a friend nearby who speaks quite good Spanish), medical terms are already difficult, let alone if there's panic or something..
You know how men can be in the moment!
inch:
We're going to the hospital here later this week for a consultation and hopefully we'll know more.. -
madelene #32
I have 2 princesses, the youngest is 3 almost 5, and the oldest is 5.
I only just started vaccinating after their first birthday.
And then with 5 weeks between each vaccination.
Consciously because I believe that a body that is growing and developing shouldn't be burdened with fighting 3 or 2 diseases at the same time.
That's also illogical because think about it, as a human you don't get 2 diseases at the same time either.
Furthermore, I think you're weakening the immunity of such a baby right away.
And such a baby is only 2 months old, just born, still hardly anywhere, and immediately pumped full of diseases it has to fight.
Such a tiny little body, I find it very pitiful and illogical. Because then they've got it over with at least, then we're done faster, you'd hear that from the health center.
But that's usually not told to parents, instead you're unnecessarily scared into starting as soon as possible, saving them time.
But well, my children got mumps separately because that's such a heavy shot with 3 diseases at once, so first mumps, then 5 weeks later measles, and then 5 weeks later rubella.
Instead of all 3 at once.
My children are now happily done with vaccinations and they're very healthy, really very rarely sick, almost never.
Greetings, Madelene -
madelene #33
Hi Liesseling, with all due respect, I don't think it's very decent to call a mother who chooses not to vaccinate her child, like I did, a worthless parent.
I find that going too far and very disrespectful.
Everyone has their own reasons for doing something or not doing it. And besides, we all think we're doing the best for our child, even if someone chooses not to vaccinate.
For example, I've read a lot and even heard from a doctor that there's definitely another side to vaccination that you might not notice now, but could cause unpleasant things years later, even in adulthood.
If someone chooses to vaccinate, that's fine.
But if there are people like me who choose to vaccinate at a later age, that's fine too, right?
Please let every parent be in their own space.
Especially if you're a parent yourself.
I chose to wait until my child was 1 year old to vaccinate, and even then, I spaced out the shots by at least 5 weeks apart.
Everyone else should decide for themselves what they do with their child.
But my conscious choice to do it differently doesn't make me a worthless mother.
I did it this way with both my princesses, and they're now toddlers and very healthy.
I've also had this discussion often with our grandmother, who didn't understand why I wanted to do it this way.
But now she sees that they're two healthy, cheerful girls.
And if I have a third child, I'll naturally do it exactly this way.
Greetings, Madelene -
madelene #34
And the dangers and negative side of vaccinating so early can also be looked up on the internet.
Then you see the other side.
The side that is never talked about.
And where you are never informed at the health center.
While it seems to me that it's so important that you should be informed about that too.
Greetings, Madelene -
Liesseling #35
I could describe it in hundreds of words, but worthless is just the word I find.
You do get your child vaccinated, just later? I mean people who don't do it at all; they're a danger to themselves and others. -
madelene #36
I believe it’s much healthier to delay your baby’s vaccinations until later rather than starting at 2 months.
I actually waited until my child was 1 year old to get vaccinated, and then their immune system was much stronger to fight off illnesses.
Besides, I don’t think it’s healthy to burden such a tiny baby with 2 or 3 diseases at once.
And when we’re adults, we don’t fight 2 or 3 diseases simultaneously either.
So why do it for babies?
Nature never gives someone 2 diseases at once to fight.
But with babies, they do it anyway because then we’re quickly rid of it.
Under the guise of health.
And look, if someone chooses to get vaccinated at 2 months, that’s fine, and getting the combined shot is also fine.
But I consciously choose not to.
And fortunately, it’s up to each parent to decide.
And by the way, I only skipped the MMR vaccine.
They got all the others, just at 1 year old.
And also with a 5-week gap between each vaccination to give the little body time to recover.
Not enough attention is paid to the impact of injecting so many diseases into such a young child.
You can read about the dangers of vaccinations on the Internet.
Greetings, Madelene -
madelene #37
What I also wanted to add is that I personally think it's very important that as parents, you don't just take everything the pediatrician says for granted, but also trust your own intuition.
Also, delve a bit more into the dangers of vaccinating so early.
Greetings, Madelene -
madelene #38
And then there's this: you might think parents who choose not to vaccinate are worthless, but those parents could also think, what worthless parents to have their little one injected with all sorts of diseases at such a young age and make their tiny body fight them off already.
I wouldn't think that, because I really like to let other people be, regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
And I also like to let parents be.
I'm a mother myself.
I just wanted to share this.
Greetings, Madelene -
Sterre #39
It’s a tough topic, precisely because there are so many intense arguments for and against it.
I’m more of a 'soft-hearted hippie' type myself, let's say. I was against vaccination, since besides the diseases, more is being injected, and despite all the studies, I can't believe it's healthy now.
My opinion changed when I read an article by someone who was raised completely bio/organic and despite all the good food and everything, still had terrible childhood diseases. She said that the anti-vaccination group gave many examples of vaccines causing bad side effects. She then listed some examples of deformed and scarred people due to childhood illnesses. Oops... that was at least my reaction.
Now I haven't researched it thoroughly yet, but I want to make a good assessment for each vaccine. What does the disease mean? What does the vaccine mean? And then make the vaccination appointments with a homeopath, so that natural support can also be given early on against the side effects.
Perhaps you have some advice on this. -
madelene #40
Hi star, my niece did that too for support with the homeopath, good tip by the way. I had my two princesses vaccinated later, when they turned 1, and also took some time between the vaccinations. I'm very happy with my choice. And they still went to the health center for weighing and measuring, just the vaccinations were later at 1 year old. That's another way to do it too. Greetings, Madelene
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