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Hi ladies, I'm Kevin. I'm happily married and we have 3 kids, but I have a problem and I'm at a loss.

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hi ladies, i'm kevin. i'm happily married and have 3 kids: 2 boys and 1 girl.
but i have one problem: i'm a stay-at-home dad. i take care of the kids and prepare the meals.
because my wife works; she's in security, so the upbringing and housework fall on me.
i wake the kids, dress them, put them to bed quickly, and meanwhile prepare their lunch for school. in the afternoon, i pack their bags and take them to school.
then my wife gets up on one ear because of the night shift she worked. in the evening, i make dinner, put their pajamas on, read a story, and put them to bed.
my wife works then and has the night shift, so she only comes home at 4 in the morning. it's stressful for me, but i love our kids with all my heart and do it with love. after all, she brings in the money; she works hard with all those night shifts.
but now my panic sets in: she really wants a 4th child. she wants nothing more.
only that means the care will naturally fall on my shoulders, and i'm already busy enough with our 3 toddlers.
the thought of a 4th gives me a suffocating feeling; i feel overwhelmed.
she thinks i should do it for her because her wish for a 4th is very big.
but she has it easier, of course, because she works, and i practically do everything in the house and with the kids.
now i don't know what to do. i don't want a fight about this, but how do i talk her out of it?
i wanted to ask you all since you're women and maybe know better how i could discuss this with her in a way that she understands me.
without a fight.
i find it weird to discuss this with my friends, hence why i'm doing it here.
greetings, kevin

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  1. Naatje #2

    you should be them*
  2. kevin Guest #3

    Hi there! We have two boys, aged 3 and 4, and our little girl is 1 year old. By the way, I really don’t want a fourth one at all because all the care would fall on me, since my wife works.
  3. kevin started this #4

    I'm already feeling incredibly overwhelmed with this now, and when I think about how she'll be working night shifts while I'm stuck with the night feedings...
    The first months give me a suffocating feeling. I totally get that my wife sees it differently—she doesn't have that burden, and of course, she's working outside the home again.
    I don't want to argue about this, but I do want to talk her out of this idea in her head.
    And I want her to put herself in my shoes, to understand how tough it'll be for me.
    Greetings, Kevin
  4. Naatje #5

    Maybe schedule a mom's day? So she takes care of the kids for a day or two, or talk about having another baby. When the youngest starts school (so when your girl is 4/5), start thinking about mom's little one. Talking out an idea from a woman's head is the hardest thing you can try maybe a different approach.
  5. kevin started this #6

    thanks, you're a lifesaver, for your advice and I hadn't thought of that yet. I've never actually talked to her about a mom's day out. That would be great, it would really take a load off my mind. And it would indeed be more relaxing if my daughter was at school when we start thinking about another baby, so I'd have more time for the baby when she's working. And maybe she'll be a bit calmer at that age because right now she's very active. Really a feisty little girl. I'll bring it up to my wife. Thanks a lot greetings, kevin
  6. Naatje #7

    Good luck!
    xxx
  7. kevin started this #8

    Thank you, sweetheart
    Well, I'm quickly going to my little girl because she's woken up.
  8. Beertje #9

    If you really don't want a 4th child, don't do it!! A mom's day seems like a good idea for both you, the kids, and your wife. Just good!! If I read it right, your wife also sees the kids very little. Does she always work night shifts? I wouldn't really go for a 4th child and honestly find it quite strange that your wife thinks you should do it for her because it's her biggest wish. This also because she doesn't really have any care for the kids and the household. In most families, it's the other way around, and women usually think the man should do more. Also check if she can take on more. We women believe that after work, men can and should still do some things with the kids and around the house. It's no different for you two.
  9. kevin started this #10

    Hi sweetie, thanks for your reply. It's true that my wife sees the kids little. She also works night shifts almost always, which is why I don't see the point in having a 4th child. I'm already busy with the rest of the kids. In the beginning with all our kids, when they were just born, so for a few months, I could take care of the night feedings because she had to recover from her night shifts. 2 night feedings were for her, the rest fell to me. They also didn't want parental leave, otherwise it would have helped me a bit. I'm going to talk to her about it today because this weekend she was too tired to talk about it Greetings, Kevin
  10. Beertje #11

    She didn't want parental leave? Hmm, as a mom, I find that weird. I'd rather be with my kids. That's obviously different for everyone. I'd really make it clear that you don't want to. And especially not do it for her. How do the kids feel about seeing their mom so little? Good luck with the conversation!
  11. kevin started this #12

    The kids miss her a lot, especially our little girl. Usually, when I’m reading them their last bedtime story and it’s time to sleep, Fay starts asking for Mama. So I call her, and she reassures her.

    Otherwise, they’re used to it since it’s been this way from the start. Often, when she has an afternoon off, the kids want to tell her everything that’s happened at school, and they almost fight over who gets to sit on her lap first. Because she’s there so little, they want to tell her everything at once—they’re taking their chance.

    Only, it rarely happens that she’s off, and when she is, she goes to sleep because she’s worked so hard. That mildly irritates me because then I think, “Now you’re finally free, but the kids have nothing to do with you because you’re asleep.” I find that a bit unfair to the kids.

    I know the kids better than she does. I know what they like or don’t like, and what’s going on at school, because I always drop them off and pick them up. On birthdays, when she’s there, women sometimes ask her questions about our kids, and she has to ask me because I know them better. Then the women often look at her strangely.

    But the kids are used to me. If they fall, they want me to comfort them, not her. Then they call out for Papa.

    Anyway, I hope we don’t end up fighting about this because I’m doing everything. I hope she appreciates it a bit too, and that I can honestly say I’m not looking forward to a fourth child. I’m now caring for our kids with all my love, even though it’s tough and busy. That’s just how our life is now; she works, I take care of the kids.

    But a Mother’s Day wouldn’t hurt

    Thanks, Beertje, for your encouragement and support

    Greetings, Kevin
  12. Beertje #13

    Wow, that really startles me. Looking at it from the other side, moms would complain that the kids basically don’t have a father figure. In your case, it’s the other way around. I personally think there really needs to be a change here. Not for you, but for the kids and for your wife. The fact that she doesn’t know anything about the kids is on her. She could ask about it, or choose to take a half-day off and not sleep then. Maybe an idea to make a back-and-forth notebook? That way you can log the day, and mom can respond. It’s a bit of communication.

    That mom day really needs to happen. I’m mostly thinking of your wife.

    Let me know how the conversation went, okay?

    By the way, I think it’s super that you as a dad are the main caregiver!! Now mom is a bit more involved.
  13. kevin started this #14

    Thanks, sweetie. Yes, you know, it's tough, even though I obviously enjoy being with my kids. It's hard, especially since our Fay is such a lively, spirited little girl.

    It's indeed the other way around for us; my friends often tell me I'm crazy. I have to honestly admit that I have deep respect for women who handle everything at home while the man does nothing. I can really put myself in those women's shoes, precisely because I'm in a similar situation myself. My sister, for example, practically does everything—cooking, housework. I didn't really realize it back then, but now that I live like this myself, I can really empathize with how busy women are. My friends don't get that.

    Anyway, I'm glad for your message. You really encouraged me to have a good talk with her about it, and through your message, I also see how important it is for the kids if my wife spends more time with them and is more involved.

    It's good to hear it from a woman; you bring up good points that a man doesn't think of as quickly. And it's also a great idea to write things down like that; it's clear with all the agreements.
  14. Naatje #15

    YES, I agree with Beertje

    Let us know how it goes!
  15. bianca1986 #16

    Hi Kevin,

    I really agree with the ladies here about what they’ve typed and sent to you. Mother’s Day isn’t such a bad idea at all, and you know, maybe your wife isn’t even fully aware of how tough everything is for you too.

    But can I ask something? Did she maybe experience something similar in her childhood, or perhaps have a completely different upbringing, etc.? I actually find it pretty strange to hear that she doesn’t know the children that well, etc.

    I’m really impressed by how you’re handling all this and how you’re stepping up for your kids. Others can learn a lot from that.

    P.S. I’ll tell you something: your wife should be proud of you. She needs to make more time for you, you know why? Because it’s a miracle to be able to have a child. I say this because I’m still trying hard to have a child myself—it’s my biggest wish And your wife has it, and actually, you’re the one playing both mother and father I find that really sad.

    I wish you all the best with your kids. And I hope your wife changes soon, because in my opinion, this just can’t go on.

    Cheers, Bianca
  16. Beertje #17

    Hi Kevin.

    How did the conversation go?
  17. bianca1986 #18

    Yes, I'm really curious too..

    Greetings
  18. kevin started this #19

    hi bianca i just read your message
    first of all i want to thank you and the other ladies for your sympathy
    and support.
    to answer your question my wife lost her mother at a young age when she was 5 years old
    and she found it very difficult back then she seems to have always been a spontaneous open child
    but according to her father she changed back then she stopped sleeping she became very closed off and at school in kindergarten things went badly for her
    her teachers told her father that she often sat quietly in a corner didn't want to play and also stopped talking and in the evenings she often stood by the outside door and said then i'm not sleeping because i'm waiting for mama to come back and she did that until she was 7 years old
    my father-in-law told me all this he often heard her crying in bed every night.
    it was not easy for her father either and it hurt him deeply inside that his little girl had changed so much he suddenly lost contact with her she no longer wanted to cuddle or talk to him she completely shut herself off from him and the world around her
    then he remarried when she was about 11 but to a woman who didn't really like children
    and only later did he find out that that woman mistreated her they worked in the evenings and said she was with her
    so he didn't notice it at first but only later
    he found it terrible when he found out that woman was also very jealous of the bond she had with her father when he found out about that he immediately got divorced.
    but well so that was basically her childhood and now she has been able to put it in perspective
    by the way bianca it must be so difficult for you to fight so hard for a miracle lots of strength with that and may your wish come true soon
    thanks ladies for your advice and your support
    and i will let you know how the conversation went
    greetings kevin
  19. bianca1986 #20

    Hey Kevin,

    Thanks for getting back to me, and thanks for wanting to share your story with us anyway. I'll tell you what I think right now, now that I know all this...

    I really think she (your wife) had a really tough time in her childhood, and it's really sad to hear that her mother was taken away from her at such a young age. I also think that's where the point lies, that she keeps her distance from her kids, because she doesn't want her children to go through what she had to go through. And now it's easy to say, well then she should give her children extra love, of course I could also say, but you know, just do it, with in the back of my mind my mother died early, if I'm also taken away from you, do you feel what I felt? And I think she definitely doesn't want to do that to her children or to you, because she knows how much grief her father had when her mother passed away

    I actually find it a really sad story..
    I also think it's quite pitiful for her..

    What I already said, I think she's really afraid that when she later has a strong bond with the kids, she thinks she'll be taken away from life again I don't know, but somehow it touches me, especially because of her childhood...

    I wish you lots of strength, because this is really difficult..
    Thanks for your empathy, and I also hope to carry a little miracle soon

    Greetings Bianca

    If your wife wants to talk, after you've spoken, I'm open to it, especially if I can help someone with it..

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